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    Zimovane addiction

    Post by Tom O Brien on Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:07 am

    Many people go to their doctors when they can't sleep. Generally the doctor will prescribe zimovane a sleeping tablet. However the doctors don't tell you that if you read the patient information for zimovane, you will see that one of the side effects of taking zimovane is insomnia! So continued use of zimovane will lead to further sleeping problems. So in reality people don't take zimovane for sleep, there must be other mind altering reasons why people take zimovane.

    I would love to hear your experience or ideas?
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    Re: Zimovane addiction

    Post by Tom O Brien on Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:36 am

    The following post was taken from a forum where people talked about their experiences of zimovane.

    http://www.abrsm.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t19336.html


    Hi,

    Two and a half weeks ago I stopped taking Zimovane (Zopiclone), after having been prescribed it for over eleven years. For the last year or so my GP had increased my dosage to 15mg per night (i.e. double dose). Recently I found that I am still having some difficulty getting off to sleep, and I took the decision to stop taking it. I figured that if I'm going to have insomnia, then I might as well have it drug free rather than not sleeping and still being drugged.

    Well initially the rebound insomnia was very severe, but I stopped taking it at the start of half term so that I could "sleep in" if I needed to. Now my sleeping is about as poor as it was when I was taking the double dose, so that's an improvement from the rebound state.

    However, what i have noticed is that my mind is so much sharper, my brain feels clearer and I am so much more "on the ball". Not only that but I am feeling so much happier and cheerful, really remarkably so. I have always assumed that I naturally tend towards melancholy, and get easily a bit low and depressed, but I'm beginning to revise that view of myself. Even though hubby and I are going through stressful times as he's unemployed with no sign of a job on the horizon, nevertheless I keep feeling cheerful and upbeat.

    Is it possible that the Zimovane was keeping me in a chronically depressed state, and was making it harder for me to think clearly and sharply during the day? If anyone out there is a pharmocology expert, I'd appreciate their views on this. Also, I'm really hoping that my body will re-learn to sleep deeply and richly, so that I'm not always tired. Do you think this will happen naturally if I give it time and patience? I'm careful not to have caffeine or other stimulants past mid-day, and I've begun using a hypnotic trance tape that incorporates some NLP techniques etc., so try and re-learn how to relax and sleep.

    Any thoughts on the above gratefully received. I've tried to research Zimovane online, but haven't found the answers to my questions.

    Many thanks



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    Re: Zimovane addiction

    Post by Tom O Brien on Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:11 am

    Here is an interesting article


    http://www.szasz.com/leifercritic.pdf
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    Re: Zimovane addiction

    Post by Tom O Brien on Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:18 am

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    Re: Zimovane addiction

    Post by Tom O Brien on Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:20 am


    The nightmare of giving up sleeping pills: One woman reveals her addiction battle

    By Oona Mashta






    Addiction: Paula Wynne battled to wean herself off sleeping pills
    Paula Wynne had always been a solid sleeper until two years ago.

    Then she was made redundant from her job as a marketing manager, and soon afterwards underwent a minor operation on her shoulder.

    What should have been a simple procedure went wrong, and the mother-of-one ended up needing two corrective operations over the next nine months.

    The crippling pain and anxiety made it difficult to sleep and her GP prescribed the sleeping pill zopiclone until the pain subsided.

    Paula, then 44, took the pills every night for six months, but when she began working again, helping her partner Ken in his business, she found giving up the tablets very difficult.

    Whenever she tried, her insomnia became worse than ever before.

    'It was horrible - I'd go to bed at the normal time, but just lie in bed wide awake for hours,' she recalls, two years later.

    'I felt depressed. I had no energy in the morning to do anything. It was the darkest year of my life. I was only getting a few hours' sleep a night.

    'I was behaving out of character, and over-reacting to even the slightest upset. I couldn't make decisions and needed my partner, Ken, to do everything for me.

    'I hated not being able to sleep without the aid of medication - but giving it up only made the insomnia even worse.' Paula was suffering from 'rebound insomnia', caused specifically when you give up the pills.

    Dr Cosmo Hallstrom, of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, explains: 'Rebound insomnia is like having a double dose of insomnia. The body - which couldn't sleep in the first place - adapts to needing a sleeping pill to sleep; and when it is then taken away, the insomnia is compounded.'

    Sleeping pills are both physically and psychologically addictive, he says. Other withdrawal symptoms include anxiety and depression. And while most patients will suffer mild withdrawal symptoms, many suffer more extreme reactions.

    Sleeping pills are a commonly prescribed drug - around nine million Britons take them occasionally, with an estimated million using them regularly, and long-term.

    Many long-term users are elderly, says Dr Hallstrom. 'If you start taking them and you are in the older age group, there is a one-in- three chance of becoming a long-term user.

    'And once you are a long-term user, you will stay on them indefinitely, because they are so difficult to give up. There are people who have been on sleeping pills for 10 to 20 years.'

    Last week, it was reported that sleeping pills raise the risk of early death by a third.

    This was true whether the pills were used long term or just occasionally, Canadian scientists found. One theory is the drugs affect alertness and co-ordination, making patients more prone to falls and other accidents. It could also be that they interfere with the breathing system and worsen any breathing problems as the person sleeps.

    Although British experts questioned the numbers affected, many patients, shocked by the findings, will want to quit the drugs. But as Paula discovered, this is far easier said than done.


    Beware: Paula wishes she had never turned to sleeping pills to help her insomnia (posed by model)
    The most commonly used sleeping pills are benzodiazepines and newer drugs known as the 'z-drugs' (including zaleplon, zolpidem and zopiclone). They all act in a similar way. They are sedatives that depress brain chemicals in the central nervous system, making you feel relaxed.

    While the newer drugs produce less of a 'hangover effect' the next day, all the drugs are potentially addictive, according to the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE).

    'To stop people becoming addicted, they should be used only for a short period of time,' says Dr Hallstrom. Indeed, NICE recommends sleeping pills should be prescribed for a maximum of only one month.

    The Royal College of Psychiatrists goes even further, advising that only when a patient is so distressed they cannot sleep at all should the pills be prescribed - and then only for less than two weeks. In fact, Paula's GP prescribed zopiclone for weeks on end.

    'At first,' says Paula, 'the pills were wonderful. I went from lying in bed all night in agony to being able to drift off at 10pm.'

    When one didn't do the job because the pain was particularly bad, she'd pop two at a time. And if she woke up in the night through pain, she'd pop another to get back to sleep.

    'I did it because it was such an easy way to get a good night's sleep, something so many of us take for granted,' she explains.


    'People think sleeping pills will help - but in fact they can make things worse'

    One key concern with sleeping pills is that the body can quickly become tolerant to them, so they work less well at their recommended dose. Then - like Paula - many patients often end up taking more than they should to have an effect.

    Determined to end her reliance on the sleeping tablets, for three months Paula repeatedly tried to give them up. Every time she ended up taking the pills again because the withdrawal symptoms were so bad. Without them, she would lie awake all night.

    Ken couldn't sleep when she did not sleep, so eventually she'd sneak off to the spare room so at least one of them would get a decent night.

    'Apart from worse insomnia than ever if I didn't take the pills, I was very anxious and depressed,' says Paula. 'I lost all interest in things. I had no energy to go out and meet friends, or anything. Moping was the only thing I could do.'

    Paula talked to her GP about weaning herself off by gradually reducing the dose. She tried taking the pills on alternate nights - but that didn't work. Finally her GP started her on painkillers again, with a sedative.

    Almost six months after first trying to quit, she finally took her last pill. 'My sleep patterns have been erratic, but I'm thrilled to be free of the tablets at last,' she says. 'I now appreciate every wink.'

    There is no easy way to quit, Dr Hallstrom warns. Patients have to be prepared to suffer some worsening of their sleep for at least a few weeks.

    'They need maybe to take the pills on alternate nights, or they could try alternative medication suggested by their GP.'

    The potentially addictive nature of the drugs is why the Royal College of Psychiatrists suggests trying other approaches before even thinking of talking to your GP about sleeping problems.

    It recommends self-help methods such as exercising during the day, and getting up if you cannot sleep and doing something relaxing. But that advice came too late for Paula, who warns: 'People think the pills will help - but in fact they can make things worse. I don't believe everyone is told how addictive they can be. Avoid them if you can.'

    www.paulawynne.com
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    Re: Zimovane addiction

    Post by Dave on Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:28 pm

    some really interesting reading there Tom, thanks for the links
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    Re: Zimovane addiction

    Post by Tom O Brien on Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:58 pm

    I suppose people who can't sleep need to ask themselves why they can't sleep?
    What is worrying them?
    Will the same issue keep worrying them until they deal with the issue?
    Will zimovaine just delay them solving the problem?
    Is zimovaine just stopping you achieving what you want?

    I would love to know what people who use zimovaine feel?
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    Re: Zimovane addiction

    Post by deaf joe on Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:05 am

    If people want to sleep their lives away, thats their choice tom Sad
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    Re: Zimovane addiction

    Post by abbieruby on Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:19 am

    Thats madness, them quaks havnt got a clue. xx Evil or Very Mad
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    Re: Zimovane addiction

    Post by Dave on Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:44 am

    deaf joe wrote:If people want to sleep their lives away, thats their choice tom Sad

    True but if its a waste, why not try to change there mind.

    id say zimovane would just put whatever problem on the back burner for a short time
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    Re: Zimovane addiction

    Post by deaf joe on Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:11 am

    ah you can't beat a few limos... i mean zimos : Cool Arrow Cool Sleep Evil or Very Mad
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    Re: Zimovane addiction

    Post by dayo on Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:10 am

    so deaf joe you sit on your white horse your actually just as bad as i thought tablet head Shocked
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    Re: Zimovane addiction

    Post by Dave on Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:50 pm

    I took this piece from another forum
    http://ehealthforum.com/health/zopiclone-addiction-t222737.html#b wrote::Hello

    I have had little support from my doctor's and little understanding or support from my friends during my addiction to zopiclone.

    It has ruined my life.

    Started off with a pack of zopiclone 7.5mg for a month to help me sleep after my mum passed away in 2007, I am still addicted to them, three years ago. I now take 2-4 pills a day cos I feel like I need them, need that "hit" they give you a buzz. But then that's it for the day, I dont go out, I dont want to go out, I dont want to see anyone, Im just in on my own. Then I take 2-3 more before I sleep.

    But I dont want this, I want to be normal! I am 26 years old but these pills have taken away my zest for my life and destroyed my motivation. All I think about is when I can take my next pill. (These are now bought off the internet as the doctor will not prescribe them) so we dont know what we are even taking. Does anyone find that the pills give you a buzz to tidy up and crave sweets and food? When the "hit" wears off I just want to eat. But I guess I do that to give me another hit.

    I have lost so many friends because of this. I have taken several suicide attempts (because of the way the pills make me feel) and do they give you a feeling where you can be honest and say whatever is on your mind?! Which has caused damage with my friends.

    I have tried to withdraw from these pills and lasted about a month. The withdrawals were awful. I couldnt focus properly, I got electric shots shooting through me, I got severe abdomen pains, back pains, I didnt want to go outside, I didnt want to see anyone, and I could not sleep. Not sleeping is the worst thing. The following days the above symptoms just getting worse. After about a couple of weeks I started getting some sleep and having the most vivid, scariest nightmares. Everything the pills numbed in my head came out, like losing my mum etc. When you sleep normally you are meant to process these feelings through your mind so you can deal with them. So three years later, everything that was bottled up came out in such emotional nightmares. But I must admit the day I finally had a normal night sleep and actually dreamt was amazing, But the temptation and the urge to take a pill was too strong and I was back on them.

    Please, if anyone has any stories that could help, or if someone would like to get off this together and support each other, lets do it. I dont want to be a zombie anymore:(

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    Re: Zimovane addiction

    Post by rodriga1980 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:56 pm

    I have been taking 7.5mg of zopiclone for the past 2 years. I have a stressful job and need a good nights sleep to perform well. Before taking it I was sometimes still awake at 6 in the morning and had to be up at 7. I know that when i take my zopliclone at ten an hour or so later I will be asleep for 8 hours Sleep Sleep Sleep  and have no side effects at all.

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